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FREEZE FRAMEDid the feds move in early on a suspected Florida Ponzi scheme too soon?
Gregg Matthews
BAD GUYS? AdSurf Daily member Robert Drazen says the business was ahead of its time
Editor's note: This is a corrected version of the story. This corrected version was updated 11/6/2008 at 4:09 p.m.
Last summer brought both steamy weather and a newfound prosperity for Quincy-based online advertising company AdSurf Daily. The company made money by selling Internet advertising to its members, who could recoup the cost of their advertising, and theoretically even make money, by viewing the advertising of other members. Basically, ASD paid its members to drive traffic to their websites. The company has about 100,000 members, including nearly 20,000 in Central Florida, who say they were profiting handsomely from the site.
According to ASD officials, the company brought in some $90 million in June. There was a members’ rally in Tampa that month and another in Miami in July that brought in millions in advertising fees – nearly $40 million at the three-day Miami rally alone.
ASD exploded. In April, the company had 23,000 members and 25 employees. By late July it employed 80 and had 100,000 members.
But in August, federal agents raided the company’s offices, a forfeiture complaint in hand, seizing more than $90 million. Secret Service investigators based in Orlando alleged ASD was a Ponzi scheme, a scam that pays investors with funds brought in from other investors rather than selling an underlying investment.
Headed by a secretive grandfather and run out of a former flower shop, ASD has almost all the trappings of a money-laundering case: victims, a raid by the feds and a very public takedown of a suspect business. What makes this case different is the fact that there are few who consider themselves victims of ASD. More than 4,000 members wrote to Collyer over a two-month period; most stood by the company. And the call volume of members expressing support has been so heavy that the Florida attorney general set up a dedicated hotline.
“The unfortunate reality is that in these kinds of cases when the government jumps the gun and grabs property, the government is acting as judge, jury and executioner. There’s been no finding of engaging in illegal activity,” says ASD attorney Jonathan Goodman, of powerhouse Miami-based firm Ackerman Senterfitt.
“[Members] still support the company. They don’t blame the company; they blame the government. They don’t consider themselves victims. That is not common in a fraudulent scheme case.”
A brilliant genius
ASD was founded in October 2006 by Thomas “Andy” Bowdoin Jr., a 74-year-old grandfather, religious country boy and successful entrepreneur with a hands-on approach to business. Bowdoin often returned phone calls personally and liked to mingle with new members at rallies.
At the same time, he’s publicity-shy. Bowdoin initially expressed interest in speaking to Orlando Weekly for this story, but ultimately declined because he was worried about tapped phone lines and government officials hacking his e-mail. Miles Christian-Hart, Bowdoin’s spokesman, offered the possibility of a conference call, but that never happened. An in-person interview was ruled out on the advice of his attorney.
“The attorney general is gathering information to use against us,” Christian-Hart warns, noting that the company has asked Microsoft “do a security sweep to see if the Secret Service put in bugs” on computers returned two months after the raid.
During the last 25 years, Bowdoin founded or worked for a dozen failed fledgling companies, including South Polk Investors, Creative Retailing Services, Crosby Enterprises of Lakeland and World Payment Systems, a payment-processing business. All were ultimately dissolved, at least five of them involuntarily. Most of the companies appeared to be technology or multilevel marketing. According to the recent federal filing, Bowdoin “earned no significant income from legal employment in the 20 years prior to his commencement of [ASD’s] operation.”
Bill Robinson, a Sarasota member and a friend of Bowdoin’s, says Bowdoin suspected his company would draw the attention of the feds, but thought such an investigation could validate ASD.
“That’s one thing that didn’t make sense to me – that a man who is 74 and in the last section of his life, with grandchildren working for the company, would be so stupid and so visible and not do it right. I said to Andy all along that we were going to get looked at and he welcomed them to look, because everything was done right,” Robinson says.
Bowdoin does have a history of not doing things right. On Oct. 6, 1997, he agreed to felony pre-trial diversion that included three years of probation and payment of $15,000 in restitution. The charges were for the offer and sale of securities by an unregistered agent and failure to reveal information that could have impacted investment decisions while promoting an Alabama cellular phone company, Mobile International, that later collapsed. The state charges were dismissed upon completion of the pre-trial program.
On Jan. 11, 1999, also in Alabama, he pleaded guilty to one count of sales of unregistered securities and was sentenced to a year in prison, again for his involvement with Mobile International. That term was suspended in favor of three years probation and $75,000 in restitution.
Courted
For two years ASD operated without questions from state or federal officials. Suddenly both took an interest.
Orlando Secret Service agents began investigating the company on July 3 after receiving a tip it was possibly a Ponzi scam. (The Secret Service is in charge of investigating suspected money laundering.)
A St. Cloud IRS–Secret Service task force member says most ads “did not come from legitimate advertisers,” according to the court filing. The first three ads viewed by the agent promoted ASD. The next two sites were ads for other multilevel marketing programs: Bio Petro Improver and Acai Berry Juice.
“These alleged advertisers had no independent product or service to sell, no web-based business, and thus no legitimate reason to have paid ASD to advertise for them except to secure ASD’s ‘rebates,’” read the court filing.
A week later the agent upgraded his membership and followed it up with a deposit at the downtown Orlando Bank of America. He used his MySpace page as his business website. “ASD did nothing to ensure that real businesses were joining its program as advertisers,” court documents note.
ASD’s site even acknowledged that owning a business wasn’t a requirement; the company suggested a handful of online affiliate programs for members without businesses.
Another Secret Service agent opened an account from Washington, D.C., on July 20 and viewed ads with similar results. And then came the raid on Aug. 5. A civil forfeiture complaint listed offenses including wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy to violate anti-money laundering and wire fraud statutes. The forfeiture action included Bowdoin’s waterfront Quincy home, his Myrtle Beach condo, the company’s computers and $53 million in funds. Bowdoin hasn’t disclosed his worth, but federal prosecutors say his business had a net worth of $10 million. They also say he spent $51,000 in company funds on jewelry in a single day, an act indicative of a lavish lifestyle.
A day later, on Aug. 6, the state of Florida filed an action requesting civil damages, penalties and an injunction to dismantle ASD, and accused the company of deceptive and unfair trade practices by operating a Ponzi scheme. On Aug. 18, the federal government seized another $40.5 million, bringing the total to $93.5 million.
Sham business
John Mrha, the Orlando-based Secret Service special agent in charge of the ASD investigation, won’t talk about many specifics of the ongoing investigation, but he says ASD’s operations aren’t legitimate and questions the types of businesses that advertised through the site.
“We’re trying to figure out how many legitimate businesses there were. If you’re spending a lot of money on advertising, what are you advertising? That’s a key for us,” Mrha says. “I was surprised by how much money was being generated. If times are so tough, why are people sending money to someone they don’t know to buy ad packages?”
The government has argued that the company operates illegally by paying rebates for looking at ads that appear to be exclusively derived from fees paid by others participating in the same program.
“ASD does not appear to sell any independent products or services sufficient to generate an income stream needed to support the rebates and commissions that it promises its members,” prosecutors wrote in the court filing.
“Further, most of the so-called advertisers are not paying ASD for advertising services at all; instead, they are paying ASD with the expectation that ASD will provide a full rebate and additional revenue.”
That, prosecutors and Secret Service agents say, made it a Ponzi scheme.
On the other hand
At the crux of the argument is whether ASD is a Ponzi scam. Defense expert Gerald Nehra, an attorney specializing in direct sales for 38 years, says it isn’t. Nehra, who Bowdoin hired on as a consultant only days before the raid, still works for ASD.
In fact, a lengthy membership agreement made clear money paid to the company was to buy advertising, not investments, and made no guarantees of profits.
“It is not [a Ponzi],” Nehra wrote in an evaluation submitted to the court. “The complaint uses investment and return-on-investment language, but the company never used such language. The complaint repeatedly speaks of promises, but the Ponzi–like promises were never made by the company.”
That assertion is backed up by “the presence of a real, viable, marketable service, namely Internet advertising” and the fact that “participants are not needed to keep everything afloat,” he says.
ASD did have outside income, including rights to e-books, proceeds from domains it owned and marketing revenue from partnerships with GreenBackStreet, an online shopping portal, and Million Dollar Advertising. At the Miami rally, Bowdoin also announced that the company was considering the purchase of call centers in Latin America and an interest in an international bank.
Christian-Hart, who points out that ASD created dozens of $12-an-hour customer service jobs in a community where many commute to Tallahassee, an hour away, says the company was only raided because it was making buckets of money.
“They just decided to tap into the money. They didn’t charge us with anything,” he says. “They just accused us of being a Ponzi scheme so they could confiscate close to $90 million and freeze bank accounts.”
And there is a dedicated member base standing beside the company. Numerous members observed the two-day evidentiary hearing.
Orlando ASD member Robert Drazen was initially skeptical about ASD, but listened to the low-pressure pitch at a crowded Tampa rally.
“I was fascinated by it. At first I thought it was too good to be true; it sounds like a Ponzi where there would be someone at the top and the rest of us getting taken advantage of,” Drazen says. “Then I saw the level of brilliance in the structure that Andy put together.”
Over his wife’s protests, Drazen immediately bought $2,000 worth of advertising. He’d pulled out only $300 in rebates before the raid.
“A lot of people were involved whose lives were really transformed, people who were broke, lost a job or were down on their luck. And with ASD they would be able to earn a living for their self and family,” Drazen says. “People thought Napster was strange at first. It’s an idea that’s a little ahead of its time.”
Waiting game
Collyer will soon make a ruling on the company's future.
“[The government] can’t prove it’s a Ponzi scheme. If there’s wrongdoing, they’ll have evidence [if allowed to restart under the plan],” says Miami ASD member Todd Disner, a co-founder of sandwich franchise Quizno’s. “I’m not only angry but depressed that the government can do this. It’s like the Depression of 1928 with people jumping out windows. [Members] are putting cars up for sale. They can’t pay mortgages.”
Disner says ASD worked. It increased web traffic and drove sales at legitimate businesses. Says Disner: “That’s the Holy Grail in advertising – to get in front of people for 15 seconds.”
After a flurry of court filings, it’s now become a waiting game, and members have become more supportive than ever. Steve Watt, a Port Charlotte member, flew to Washington, D.C., to attend hearings and report the results on his personal website.
“All members that asked to get checks got paid,” he says. “All the lights were green.”
Whether a judge will agree with that assertion in court remains to be seen, but continued negotiations to reopen ASD might ultimately make a mockery of the forfeiture case.
“It’s all about the money,” says Debary member Bob Waldorf. “There’s not a chance of getting it back if the government gets it.”`
Comments on this story:
On 11/6/2008 11:39:02 AM, Anonymous said:
Ummmmm, she didn't release ANY money and I'd doubt she will. You did correctly state that Bowdoin has TWO felonies instead of the one he mentioned "to the members" Ahead of its time or not, the company is a Ponzi and Andy Bowdoin is a crook.
On 11/6/2008 12:17:51 PM, Anonymous said:
Putting aside your inflammatory rhetoric, I would like to see yours and the government's new evidence that ASD is a ponzi. If you have none, then stop speaking unless you have something "real" to say!
On 11/6/2008 12:55:39 PM, Anonymous said:
I am a ASD member an am very disapionted in our goverment in the poor judgement.The Gov.has broken the 5th ammendement,an owes us members millons of dollars in lost revinews!!
On 11/6/2008 1:07:08 PM, Anonymous said:
If you are going to post something useful here, the least you can do is spell correctly, its amendment and not "ammendement" and its revenues not "revinews"..its disappointment not"disapionted", its government not "goverment", and its and not "an". But then again, what do you expect from someone like this, definitely not too smart, which is why he fell for this con and scam...
On 11/6/2008 1:21:58 PM, Anonymous said:
I NEVER GOT ANY MONEY BACK. i HAVE $4500 IN THERE AND NOW i AM SO BROKE I HAD TO GET RID OF MY MINIVAN AND GET AN OLDER CAR TO DRIVE ME AND MY KIDS AROUND IN. i OWNE DTHAT MINIVAN OUTRIGHT BUT i JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT NOW THAT asd TOOK MY MONEY!
On 11/6/2008 1:25:29 PM, Anonymous said:
We voted for Obama so we can get a new government. We are tired of the intimidation, the war monger Government we have had. The attorney general is just that, he choses which businesses are and are not worthy to advertise?? A taxidermy business was in his presentation as an example of a business that has nothing to do advertising on the internet!! SAYS WHO???? WE ARE A FREE NATION !!!! LEAVE US ALONE !!!!
FOr those critics, until one day the gov decides their buss is not "good enough" they will be blind, mute and deaf
On 11/6/2008 1:28:42 PM, Anonymous said:
Oh and by the way...My comment is above... I DID ask for my money and I never got it. They kept saying taht they were backed up and we had to wait and a month later after I asked... they were raided and I will never see that money again. It was a good Christian preacher friend of mine who introduced me. I also heard preachers on the phone during the calls talk about how great this was and It made it more honest to my husband and I. We now really need that money and we are not sure we will ever see it again. We have a legitimate building business that we own and advertised. I have a photography business I advetised. We usually went with yellow book but never got any leads from it so we thought, why not try this. We never made money from leads from this but it is a risk you take just like Yellow Book. We paid them too and never got a lead either. We are just so upset taht we will never see the money that we put into this now that we know it is a scam. All the company ever did was praise Andy and say how no one can find any dirt on him as his reputation is spotless. SPOTLES?? ha! He was investigated 2 times and even had to pay fines for illegal activity. they lied! LIED! Now I want my money back, NOW! ANdy if you are a good man like you say, Give me the oney I need to pay some medical and other bills. We almost lost out home recently. I need the money you took from me.
On 11/6/2008 1:29:52 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD was the best bussiness model ever. We advertised our small antique site with great success.......... and now here we sit in limbo.....The government acted way to fast, and refuses to fall on it's sword even though they know it's not a ponzi,and there is nothing ilegal about it. You have an ERROR in your article.. There are been NO Ruling. On Oct 9th they put the court summery up on the Judges Docket.
On 11/6/2008 1:45:20 PM, Anonymous said:
Don't forge the prestigious medal of distinction he got from the President himself, yeah right. Donated a few bucks, and I do mean a few bucks, and they tossed him a medal and said thanks for the money sucker, only for him to use it to sucker everyone else into giving him more money. Damn, I wish I donated my money to the party as well and used the medal to scam a bunch of people on line. No surprise is it, coming from a deceitful republican government now is it.
On 11/6/2008 1:57:00 PM, Anonymous said:
The Government took everyoner's money, not Andy. I purchesed advertising and I did not expect to get my money back. What I was getting were rebates for looking at sites advertised. My inoitial purchase money , by the time the Government raided the business had already given me three times as much in rebates, and I also had done business with several of the other advertisers. In fact every evening, while surfing, I placing in my favorites all the sites that I was interested on and that I thought I could do business with. After a whike I had a library of sites from all over the country, that was of my interest. The business worked fine and I was getting ready to pull 10 % of my rebates when the Government butted in. It was a disgrace. I hope it all will get back to normal and that I will be able to keep advertising my business and make my rebates at the same time. And yes I did have people calling ma from my advertised site. he Government should arrest themselves for running a true Ponzi scheme called Social Security
On 11/6/2008 1:57:51 PM, Anonymous said:
Get a grip, the Government took your money. Not Andy.
On 11/6/2008 2:11:03 PM, Anonymous said:
By the way, the only really deceitful people are the liberals, democrats or leftist in general. They must be untruthful in order to advance their cause. As they were about Barry Hussein. Now they are telling you they do not know who he is...or how is he going to govern. A little too late isn't it ? They hid the fact he is a leftist marxist, friend of other marxists that are helping Chavez to impose communism in Venezuela. He is a muslim and he is not a born in USA citizen. All of this has been kept under the rug in orther to elect him. Talking about a scheme....Wait until he is going to declare himself president for life like Castro did....Americans got fooled and they deserve to be.
On 11/6/2008 2:29:03 PM, Billman said:
Anonymous 2:11: You're a mildly amusing idiot.
On 11/6/2008 2:45:12 PM, Anonymous said:
Thanks. a very well written and factual buffet of all information put on the table. I am an ASD member and waiting for this business to get up and running so that I can can pay bills and eventually by sharing this with others help my network of friends advertise their websites. I want to be a vehicle to a handful of friends who are disabled to supplement their meager incomes.There is a group of people who cannot work a regular 9-5 job becuase of health issues that don't bring enough money in. This advertising helps the work from home crowd.
On 11/6/2008 2:47:24 PM, Anonymous said:
What sort of a ridiculous pontification was that? What a knucklehead, must like to hear him/herself talk. Probably because their the only one that would listen to their own BS rhetoric.
I have been and will rmeain in full support of ASD. The government has my money not ASD. I trusted Andy in the beginning and I stand by him to this day. The ad model behind ASD is strong, warranted and a stroke of genius. It worked and the proof is in that fact. I speak from 25 years of TV/Radio ad sales exeprience. Obviously the commenter 2 above speaks from the wrong end.
Go Andy! Go Obama!
On 11/6/2008 2:54:17 PM, Anonymous said:
" I totally disagree with the Govenment actions in the ASD case. For the first time I was able to work a Internet Business advertising my URL Website(s) and got paid doing it. I had daily cash flow and was able to pay the bills specially my $1200 health insurance premium. NOW,thanks to the govenment, I lost my health insurance and presently have NONE. I'm lost my daily cash flow and looking for work. I'm 100% ashame of our government how they misunderstood and attack ASD. Dennis Moore ASD Member from Glendale Arizona
On 11/6/2008 2:56:45 PM, Anonymous said:
All of us who are members are and should be business owners - using the advertising to build a business and make some money. There are 'no get rich quick' things in this world and we ALL went into this hoping to make money and we did unless we got in at the end like me who spent but didn't have enough time to make before the mess. It is not over - and i won't give up until it is all said and done - this is a GOOD idea - I got leads for my business and products i needed - we just need to be patient and hope the ones who closed this down are willing to admit they are WRONG and let us get on with business!
On 11/6/2008 3:01:27 PM, Anonymous said:
suckeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrssssssssss!!!!!!!!
On 11/6/2008 3:07:05 PM, Anonymous said:
hey yo perdi mucho dinero tambien, levante muhchas fresas y mi esposa limpio muchos toilets para perder todo los $50,000 que pusimos en esta mierda f@$* andy y sus pendejos mentirosos
On 11/6/2008 3:08:49 PM, Anonymous said:
I am Tonya Howe. I am not Anonymous. I am a proud ASD member. I met Andy in Chicago. It was total chaos, ASD was not prepared for the mass numbers of people who came and put their money out for ad packages. They definitely were not prepared, I can tell you there was not room for everyone all the rooms were full, even the overflow rooms, they were forced to hold a second seminar later in the day for those who could not fit in the first. Consequently, there was a lot of money that needed to be keyed into the computer system. I believe they thought it would be better to upgrade the system first, so the money could get keyed in faster, than to try to key it in with the present system. Whatever the case, they were trying to get it all keyed in and it was taking a long time. They were swamped, and way behind, and some people were impatient. During that time, if you requested your money back, you would have to realize it would take some time, with the computer system being upgraded and funds not yet keyed in. Some people got impatient and complained. Had they waited and things got keyed in and business went on as usual, none of this would've happened and we all would've received the advertising we paid for and our businesses we were advertising would've made us money and we may have even made some rebate money as well, which I was planning to put right back toward advertising anyway. I met Andy and I know people and he is a good man. Andy is a southern gentleman. Maybe he has been too trusting and did not get all the T's crossed and the i's dotted, but he's from the olden days when you could run a business without so much red tape. Now he has lawyers to help and hopefully things will go smoother in the future. I love you, Andy, and ASD, and I wish you to be back in business today! Tonya Howe, Michigan, USA
On 11/6/2008 3:09:04 PM, Anonymous said:
hahahahahahaha suckeeeerrrrs..... y pendejos too
On 11/6/2008 3:11:48 PM, Anonymous said:
Um, let's see. ASD "took" $4500 from "Anonymous". When I put my money in, I had to go down to my bank, get a cashier's check, and mail it in. I do not live in Florida, and Andy was not there with me holding a gun to my head to make me put the money in. I advertised a multi-level business there too, and I was getting replies and signups and on the verge of making some money just from my MLM when the government stepped in and TOOK MY MONEY, including a cashier's check that had not even cleared yet! I don't blame ASD, and frankly, you shouldn't either. I can understand why you are upset, I could sure use the money right now too. But you are making it hard for anyone to get their money back by making a big deal about something you don't know anything about.
On 11/6/2008 3:16:03 PM, Anonymous said:
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME A GESTAPO TYPE OF GOVERNMENT.
TO RAID, TAKE, AND ACCUSE FALSELY. I HAVE BEEN WITH ASD SINCE MAY, 2008. I WAS ALWAYS PAID UNTIL THE GESTAPO STEPPED IN AND STOPPED IT.
WOULD LIKE THE US GOVERNMENT TO PAY FOR LOST REVENUES, TOOL.
On 11/6/2008 3:16:24 PM, Anonymous said:
I HAD TO FILE BANKRUPTCY because of this !!! I suppose that is better than working for a LEGITIMATE business Company and making a GREAT income !! I put EVERYTHING that I had into ASD. !!NOW..I WANT MY MONEY BACK ..OR LETS GET ASD OPENED AGAIN..NOW !!! DAMN..I AM HIGHLY PISSED !!! LETS MOVE ALONG QUICKLY WITH THIS KANGAROO SYSTEM AND GET SOMETHING...ANYTHING ...ACCOMPLISHED !!! Someone PLEASE let OBAMA know about all this..Maybe HE can fix it !!...F.P. in Palm Coast, Fla.
On 11/6/2008 3:19:52 PM, Anonymous said:
It is a Fact that the Government took your money not ASD.
Also I would like to know why the AG took 40 million in checks and deposited them in BOA instead of sending the money back to the people they came from ???????
So you tell me who riped who off ???????
On 11/6/2008 3:24:34 PM, Anonymous said:
I didn't know the government had the right to declare a product "not a product". For them to say that advertising is not a product must be embarrassing to them after they think about it for a second.
For them to tell me "how" and "what" to advertise is an infraction of my rights.
They are all lawyers and have never "risked" to get into business. They don"t advertise. They went from law school to a firm. They are not in touch. Let them unleash there power on Wall Street and the mortgage industry where they are sorely needed. We are used to risk and should be left alone to make the decisions needed to improve ourselves and our families. The risk takers are the ones that keep THEM in business for their industry does not contribute to the Gross National Product. Was it the Eagles or Shakespeare that said or sang "Kill all the lawyers" kill them tonight?
On 11/6/2008 3:25:04 PM, Anonymous said:
suuuuckkkkeeeeerrrrrsss!!!!!!
On 11/6/2008 3:26:08 PM, Anonymous said:
Much of the comments are absolutely rediculous. I put my money in of my own free will; I knew it was a risk. I think the Government is nosing into something that is none of their business. I am still encouraged that the judge will rule in our favor. Some of the best attorneys have looked into this and say it is not a ponzi; time will tell if the Government will do the right thing. The person above me ranted and raved about the new president's affiliations with marxist, muslims, etc., the news has been out on talk radio and tv from the moment that it surfaces. Find a better source to get your information. All we can do now is pray. Pray for our nation; pray for freedom and the the Constitution will be upheld.
On 11/6/2008 3:29:35 PM, Anonymous said:
I am extremely disappointed in happened not to mention I could really use the money I put in, I put my trust on something that I wasntold was going to help me get some income coming in.
On 11/6/2008 3:31:07 PM, Anonymous said:
At least ASD members are doing something to stay away from the unemployment lines unlike many of the loser's out there taking advantage of the system. ASD has kept that from happening and if some ASD members had to go to the unemployment line it was because of what our government did.
On 11/6/2008 3:32:15 PM, Anonymous said:
hi this is Andy my plan worked, I got all the money that I wanted well over 5 millions.... lets see i should be able to live another 30 years.... 5 million divided by 30 years... roughly about $166,666.666 a year to survive with... the GOV can take the rest of the money... who cares about the other 95 million.... even if they put in jail, I'll be sent to a house facility any ways... i will not be in high security prison... my wife should be able to visit, with the viagra in hand of course... and I should be out in no time because i have a good clean record and the president gave me his award... which is my getout of jail free card... hahahahahahaha.... succcckkeeeerrrrrsss!!
On 11/6/2008 3:39:03 PM, Anonymous said:
Well I see we have a great variety of opinions to share. Unfortunately it appears that a few of us who deem our lifestyle to be that of following in Christs footsteps have forgotten what being a Christian is all about. God is the only entity who will ultimately decide the fate of this situation. He is the one we need to look to for guidance and ultimately this will induce a fair decision. I have also been involved in ASD and support the busines plan. I had seen some actual results in prospects that were interested in my business proposals. Keep the faith my bretheren and God will aid us in this bad situation.
On 11/6/2008 3:45:07 PM, Anonymous said:
I see we have the same jerk on this site as we have seen in many other sites, Well we know who you are ! Must be toothless Jack, So jack get some teeth ,Go to School and get a job.
SUUUUUCCCCKKKKEEEERRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On 11/6/2008 3:47:51 PM, Anonymous said:
The anonymous person at 3:32:15p.m. needs to get a life.
On 11/6/2008 4:12:15 PM, Anonymous said:
I should have cancelled my cashiers check when ASD couldn't even get them deposited. This country is an Obamination now and this kind of thing is going to continue because America got rid of God a long time ago. Keep your faith in the market people, God's judgements are coming
On 11/6/2008 4:19:13 PM, Anonymous said:
THE 3:32:15P.M.---A-NON-Y-MOUS--SHOULD HAVE A 900 NUMBER--THEY WOULD DO WELL TALKING DIRT-Y---ON THE --PHON-Y--HAHAHA. ALWAYS REMEMBER A PERSON WHO IS TOO BUSY BEING NEGATIVE AND CALLING SHAMEFULL NAMES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING BECAUSE OF AN INJUSTICE--HAS NO FAITH-- WAS RAISED WITH NO SENSE OF COMPASSION AND IS WILLING TO CAUSE THAT SAME PAIN AND SUFFERING TO HIS FELLOW FRIEND--OR FAMILY--
LET US ALL PRAY
On 11/6/2008 4:29:37 PM, Anonymous said:
AMAN
On 11/6/2008 4:35:22 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD was ahead of it's time. People who put everything they had into ASD were being greedy &/or foolish because putting all your eggs in one basket is NEVER a good idea. ASD's customer service was swamped -and perhaps not running like a Swiss watch - but that does not give the Government to seize control and turn so many ASD members lives upside down. 99% of the blame for this mess lies with a few people (isn't that always the case?) and certainly on a power hungry government. Suckers? I don't think so - but it's ALWAYS a Loser who calls another person a sucker. Losers NEVER create anything - they just destroy things - and people...JK
On 11/6/2008 4:58:42 PM, Anonymous said:
If you all think the gov's ability to conficate the members money from asd was bad wait till you see the next move. We just elected a new chief who thinks we are ready for more of the same. ASD isn't going to help either. They will not be back up and running as so many duped people thinks.
On 11/6/2008 5:01:05 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD is a legitimate model. As long as the daily rebates are limited by the daily sales, the system will not fail. It does not need new members. Google sells ads every day to the same people over and over with no guaranteed results. In fact, if you simulate ASD, the system self levels when you try to pull out your cash since your daily rebates are limited and both your ads and your rebates will decline / lapse resulting in you getting less than the 100% of what you put in
On 11/6/2008 5:02:19 PM, Anonymous said:
Mr. Negative Anonymous (3:32):
It must really suck being you. What a pathetic existence to be in a "lock and load" mode all of the time! One can clearly tell by your indignant posts that you have quite a bit of self loathing going on. Your outward rants are but a mere reflection of what is going on inside. What...did someone screw you out of a lot of money? Or maybe you have many business failures under you belt, at any rate, all the hostility is not normal. Maybe you could benefit from a little counseling. YA THINK?
On 11/6/2008 5:03:18 PM, Anonymous said:
Wow, quite disturbing to hear the arguments regarding ASD. I believe that many very good people got involved in ASD. Most of them for the "right" reasons. ASD's program for advertising is way ahead of its time and it made advertising for a small business virtually FREE. How could one go wrong? I got involved in ASD to advertise my small business, submitted a check and never saw my money posted to my account as the raid took place before ASD had me set up. Even after the funds were supposedly frozen, my check was cashed (by the government) while other checks were returned to the member. This was unfair and completely at the governments digression. In my opinion, a complete abuse of power.
As for allegations against Andy Bowdoin - He appears to be a good man and though he has had some "trouble" in previous businesses, the allegations some make are clearly not true. There is ALWAYS much more to the story than what the media reports. Be careful to point a finger and judge before you know all the facts. Have none of you small business ever made a mistake? Are you all up to speed on every legal aspect of your business? Though many may feel they are, most statistics would say you are not. In fact, every day many small businesses violate laws that they never even knew were laws. They pay fines and get fingers slapped and yes, even find themselves in court. Not because they are not smart or really were "crooked", or had wrong or misguided intentions, but because they were a bit ignorant on the laws involved with their industry. It happens every day! In fact, even attorneys have to research the laws and statutes as they cannot keep up with the ever changing "rules" in each industry. Let’s take a look at ourselves, especially those of us who are true entrepreneurs and learning as we go, before we judge Andy.
For those who are complaining about losing cars and houses because of what "ASD did to them." Stop complaining. ASD ALWAYS marketed as a way for small businesses to advertise. That is EXACTLY what it was meant to do. Any business is going to put money into marketing and advertising and any business would be stupid to put money into ASD or any other marketing vehicle that the business could not afford regardless if there appears to be a nice rebate involved. The way I see it, it is unfortunate that many are hurting right now but let’s face it, over half of the country is hurting and it is not all because of ASD. Get real people - ASD DID NOT take our money, the government took our money. The courts will rule as to whether we will get it back. The complainers are the people who got involved in ASD for the wrong reasons and tried to play the system. I feel that the financial situation in our country has put MANY small businesses in jeopardy and that ASD looked to be not only a cheap way of advertising (somewhat of a no-brainer) and also a way that for a few minutes of your time, you could receive a rebate that could help subsidize other areas of the business that were hurting. It was/is a godsend for many small businesses and people were seeing it as a way to get out of the pit thus creating varying emotions and the need to blame someone. I am not naive enough to think that there weren't a few involved in ASD who were playing the game, trying to "play" the system, etc as there are a few in every company. I am not naive enough to think that no one involved in ASD was miss-selling the ASD concept. BUT - Most of the ASD members are good people, trying to make good decisions with the limited funds they have available for advertising, they are hard working, smart and desire to what is "right". What the government did was WRONG. They are the villain here. Based on the information we all had at our fingertips, ASD is on the up and up and really has our best interests in mind. They were willing to share with us for promoting them. It truly is simple. If there are any regrets it should be not for trusting those friends who told us about ASD for they were doing so in good will, but possibly for jumping into something as if it were the answer to all of our prayers without carefully considering what we could afford as a legitimate business expense. This wrong and in some cases greedy or desperate attitude is why the emotions are currently running so high.
Let’s not blame ASD for our decision. Let’s not blame our friends for involving us in what could have been and will, once again, be a valuable resource for promoting our businesses. Lets speak up about the governments abuse of its authority, acting before its "ducks were in a row",and for trampling our freedom. Put the blame where it belongs! Should it not start with you?
On 11/6/2008 5:03:59 PM, Anonymous said:
Want to see a real ponzi scheme? Look into Fannie Mae or social Security? the difference there is the government takes money from us to support them.
On 11/6/2008 5:07:33 PM, Anonymous said:
In response to anonymous at 1:21. If you put $4500 into advertising and now have lost your van, your business clearly was not able to afford the $4500. I agree with the posting at 5:03, you got in for the wrong reasons. To blame ASD for your poor business decision is not fair. It is unfortunate that your money is held up and you did not get what you paid for (advertising) but a business loss to the tune of $4500 should not cause a personal loss of your business. You best review why you got involved. Were your intentions and your business legitimate?
On 11/6/2008 5:13:23 PM, Anonymous said:
In response to anonymous at 1:28. We do not always understand why things happen the way they do. God knows the intentions of our hearts and he knows our fears too. It sounds like you were one of the many who really believed ASD could be an answer to your prayers. I was too but I differ with you in that I still feel God is in control here and he will still provide for me. Are you really angry with the wonderful people who say fit to tell you about this opportunity or are you angry because you feel you can no longer trust your own judgement? The truth will prevail! Keep your chin up and re-evaluate your comments. God knows you need that money, he knows what your true intentions were, and he owns it all - he is the giver and the taker. The gain or loss is his responsibility. If you got involved with a pure heart and pure intentions, he is looking out for you. Speak to the person who got you involved in ASD and vent your fears if you need to but I caution you not to give the idiot trouble makers any reason to use you as an example.
On 11/6/2008 5:21:38 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD was a great business. I spent hundreds of dollars advertising my business on leads, autoresponders, etc. and not getting results I expected. ASD gave me the opportunity to advertise and guarantee people would see my ad and I did get response from it. Andy, is a Christian and would not do anything to offend GOD. Keep the Faith, We WILL be back better than ever.
On 11/6/2008 6:14:25 PM, Anonymous said:
To the Honorable Rosemary M. Collyer:
My wife and I have invested, and our adult sons as well, in ASD. We do applaud your diligent efforts to protect us and the American public from scams. We have been victimized before by a ponzi scheme and I testified in Federal court against them. I can certainly see why you would take a close look at a new business model like ASD that in a very short time has had tremendous success. You are keeping a good eye out.
I am a bit puzzled and disappointed however that you have shut the whole operation down in order to investigate it thereby causing serious damage to the very people you are sworn to protect! You are possibly even destroying a very valid business operation just because it is something you are not familiar with it and because it is highly successful. Entrepreneurial ventures like this are part of what has made America great and the free enterprise system work.
We feel like we are being held underwater to see if we are alive and by the time you let us up for air we will all be dead!
Marshall and Judie
On 11/6/2008 6:24:53 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD is the best thing ever happened to me and my family we were advertising in newspapers getting few results then we created a website for the company and placed the ad in the rotator getting a much better response and at the same time generating a daily income for viewing other people business. ASD was a blessing. And we want it back. 1 POSITIVE THOUGH IS STRONGER AND HAS MORE POWER THAN 10 NEGATIVES THOUGHTS. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
On 11/6/2008 6:37:16 PM, Anonymous said:
Marvelous business model.
Exceptional advertising strategy.
I look forward to the return of the company.
On 11/6/2008 6:39:59 PM, Anonymous said:
IF ASD WILL NOT GET BACK AND RUNNING ME AND ALL MY FRIENDS WILL STOP TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT USA WILL ASK US TO DO...I JUST BOYCOTT IT
On 11/6/2008 6:44:16 PM, Anonymous said:
Hello to all... I think it is very interesting how everyone is NOT willing to admit that Andy lied about everything from the beginning. My husband talked me into checking out one of the seminars in Tampa, and I admit it appeared to be very promising... soo many people wanting to make money quickly... talking about God and supporting Christian businesses. I thought why would a 74 year old man risk spending the rest of his life in prison... I think the idea could work, but I don't think that many people that I spoke with were joining for advertising... The government believes this man was going to run off with our money..so they seized it and investigated... Does everyone just want to overlook the fact that the address of ASD didn't even exist, and that he was trying to move money out of the country... What about the bogus conference calls, where nothing new was discussed... just a lot of computer problems... the man has a bad track record.. I wanted to believe him too... but all the lies... and his past do not point to a good result. Everyone just wants to make money... and blame the government... I saw the ads coming up... they were multi level scams... acai berry... tons of ads for asd... ridiculous... without true revenue coming in.. he was just paying off a few to keep the money coming in... by the way... so many I know never got their rebate checks.. they were mysteriously lost, or computer problems.. months and months past.... If you are naive enough to give everything you have... you might want to seek help for a gambling problem... This was a huge risk... so to give all you have... is truly foolish and sad.. I know it is hard to believe that someone could do this to you and your families... but their are truly scummy losers in this world... believe it.
On 11/6/2008 6:48:37 PM, Anonymous said:
IT IS TRUE.. I READ THE FULL COURT PROCEEDINGS... THE ADDRESS WAS A FAKE.. ALL OF ANDY'S PAST BUSINESSES WERE A FAKE... THE ADS WERE RIDICULOUS...AND I TRIED TO VIEW A FEW AND THEY LED TO NOWHERE... I DON'T LIKE THAT THE GOVERNMENT STOPPED ANY CHANCE OF US GETTING OUR MONEY BACK, MAYBE IF IT CONTINUED SOME OF US WOULD HAVE BEEN REIMBURSED..BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT LEGIT!! BURNED...
On 11/6/2008 6:51:00 PM, Anonymous said:
It is criminal that our government has taken this money away from the people that invested it and are not in any hurry to give it back. Correction for The lady with the mini van that said ASD took her money. It wasn't ASD It was your own government.
On 11/6/2008 6:54:52 PM, Anonymous said:
The ASD business model is fantastic! Personally, I was able to help more people get quality advertizing with "real" views to their businesses PLUS to help folks who could not help themselves earn money. This was money they needed to buy food, gas and pay their bills. I was able to "share my earnings" and spred the wealth around. How many businesses allow you to do that from within the system? There is nothing else like ASD! Thank you Andy for allowing us to share this remarkable business! I'm looking forward to ASD coming back so I can continue with my mission!
On 11/6/2008 7:10:14 PM, Anonymous said:
If you say that you invested in ASD then you did not read the terms and conditions and had no idea what you came into ASD for. ASD in an advertising business not an investment opportunity. It is a viable and valid business with a business model that is quite different and successful. People could also join for free and advertise a business and receive credits for viewing other advertisers websites. Those credits could then be allocated to their own website so that their website would be viewed by others. Though they would not receive rebates, they could still advertise for free just by signing up to be a member. Those of us that purchased ad packages would be able to have their website shown many more times than a free member, there by receiving many more hits because of frequent viewing by the other members and were elegible for rebates. I have advertised in the newspapers and magazines which cost me quite a bit. I never received a rebate and did not have success. I have had success with ASD and was quite thrilled with the results. I also placed my nephew's website on the ASD rotator free for him and bought adpackages and asked him what kind of results he had. He told me that he had over 5000 hits to his website along with sales during the time I had it up. After ASD stopped his hits were not even close. Now we are facing foreclosure. My husband is on diability and ASD was our main income. I know to trust the Lord and believe He will make a way where there seems to be no way.
On 11/6/2008 7:17:32 PM, Anonymous said:
I think this jurk that keeps saying sssuuuucccccckkkkkeerrrs, is named ROY!!!! As in the fed jurk that started all of this to rib up against ROBERT!!
On 11/6/2008 7:20:24 PM, Anonymous said:
Just another online scam...bottom line, it is typical of almost every online "biz op". There is NO such thing as a viable program of this type...not in the LONG run. Ponzi or not...it is a scheme and scam!
On 11/6/2008 7:28:14 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD is Real and if the Government stays out of the way, will be very successful and No One gets hurt. Here's an idea...Maybe the IRS should charge the justice dept ALL the tax dollars in revenue they are losing, after all, we have welfare recipients to support, and that number is sure to grow soon..
On 11/6/2008 7:49:50 PM, Anonymous said:
I became a free member with ASD in April. Put up my business and invited others. Soon I purchased ad packages. I did not make money quickly. But did get results in adverising my business. A friend of mine advertised her Granitite Business and my brother inlaw had a Circo's business. My sister advertise Saunas. There were realestate, construction and well all sorts advertised on ASD. I even purchased some product from a website that was advertised on ASD. For several months I continued to purchase ad packages from the rebates received. Finally, I was able to bring home an income that was more than what my husband made when he was working. I really don't get these people that are complaining. If there are thousands of people that have had good results and were happy with the business. All I can say is that some of you that are complaining joined ASD for the wrong reason. You could be the ones that were looking for a quick fix or thought it was an investment hyip. Really you should have never joined in the first place. Looking forward to adverting with ASD again very soon.
On 11/6/2008 7:57:42 PM, Anonymous said:
I spent $15,000 in ASD and only tested the cash withdrawl taking $500 out. Their actually was so many people joining from June throught August 1rst that ASD could not handle the volume of new members signing up, sending funds and surfing. They should have slowed up the process of new membership, but greed prevailed. I am hopeful for ASD to restart under government overview although websites must be scrutinized and company matching of adpacks should reconsidered.
IF YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK JOIN ASDMEMBERSBUSINESSASSOCIATION.COM there is a call tonight at 8PM check website for phone number I joined for some insurance in case ASD is ruled a ponzi.
On 11/6/2008 7:59:20 PM, Anonymous said:
As a businessman and investor, I find it amazing anyone would put all of his or her money into a business deal and then complain when there money is lost. It happens all the time. Are you invested in the stock market? Look at your IRA lately? Anyway, I was and will continue to be an ASD member if this mess is ever cleaned up. I had a marked increase in traffic to my web site from ASD. I had several free signups for my business. However, with the downturn in the economy, not any new members. My offer is an investment in the Forex marketing. Very volitale but profitable if you have the risk tolerance. ASD was working. The government has more of my money. If you want to be mad, the goverment is who is to blame. Spend 15 minutes each day as I do writing to your congressmen and ask for help. Keep the pressure on them until an answer is given by the judge. Even if ASD is a ponzi scheme, which I don't believe it is, the money the government took belongs to the members, not the government. But perhaps we should get used to that since Obama, Reed, Pulose, Cox and Frank are in power now. Perhaps what you have lost here is small compared to the "change" that is about to happen to us. finally, remember, what is in the past and what is in the future is insignifanct compared to what is within.
On 11/6/2008 8:37:00 PM, Anonymous said:
The scenario which involves the current US financial climate that affects a lot of businesses, both traditional and MLM is the increased Asset Forfeiture activities now going on in the US. Hmmm, ASD was a prime target with large amounts of cash unprotected. Here is a short scenario on why that is occurring.
1. On Sept 24th, the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) ban lending to United States financial institutions in the interbank market in a bid to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis. The decree appears to be Beijing's first attempt to erect defenses against the deepening US financial meltdown after the mainland's major lenders reported billions of US dollars in exposure to the credit crisis.
2. There are other signs of a fast crash. For months now the prices of oil and gold have been ruthlessly suppressed. Oil reached $147 a barrel and broke demand so badly there was not even a dead cat bounce in demand at $100 a barrel. Energy is the economy. Money is useless without energy. There is no credit available to finance renewed demand and get some cash circulating. It is interesting to note that narcotics seizures are at all time highs. Cocaine shipments in the thousands of tons are being seized on almost a daily basis. That is taking enormous amounts of cash out of the system. There's just one problem with that cash. It must circulate through many hands to multiply before Wall Street gets it. That takes time and they can't wait. One would think that illegal drugs would be cheap now to lubricate the wheels of a nation in panic. But this is beyond that. The estimated total amount of cash generated by the drug trade it is only $600 billion a year. Lehman was just one bankruptcy. Add in Fannie and Freddie and Bear Stearns; Washington Mutual, plus all the rest -- and anything the drug trade could do is vastly overwhelmed.
3. This is about the derivatives bubble popping. That bubble is now in excess of $450 trillion dollars. There isn't enough cash in the world to cover the "monthly minimum payments" on $450 trillion. Wall Street wants people to pay their bills right now. All of Wall Street needs quick cash flow. That's what put AIG in a bind because AIG was so deeply connected to derivatives cash flow. That's how desperate they are; just as desperate as the United States is for energy. When people don't spend money on drugs they pay their bills instead, is the government's hope. The U.S. is now seizing a lot of drug cash and other properties through asset forfeiture. So best guess is that the U.S. government is acting like a drowning man.
On 11/6/2008 8:38:15 PM, Anonymous said:
I think the government is a ponzi scheme- they are using my tax dollars from last year to pay for all these illegal unconstitutional programs for this year - as well as paying these idiots we elect who keep stealing our money and telling us its for our good. Matter of fact, Isn't the Attorney General being paid from moneys previously collected- and if there is not new money, he might not get paid or have a job at all. it doesn't even sound sustainable. Now if we can just get all these government officials to give me their bank info, I can start making citizen's arrests and seize all their assets under this "Civil Asset Forfeiture" Rule.
On 11/6/2008 8:40:44 PM, Anonymous said:
As defined by Wikipedia... A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves promising or paying abnormally high returns ("profits") to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from net revenues generated by any real business. We were never promised high returns we were sold advertising just as any advertiser knows it doesn't guarantee a sale. Ask all the big guys that spend a fortune on media advertising. It doesn't guarantee someone will buy your product but when they are in the market for it just maybe they remember your site. I had a website and got hundreds of hits per month and some great leads. And besides if the goverment wants to look at ponzi schemes they need to look at the social security system. That is the biggest ponzi scheme going. We will never see any money from it but they promise us money when we retire and take our hard earned money from us now to pay the people already on it...something to think about.
On 11/6/2008 9:37:19 PM, Anonymous said:
Just face it the Gov't stole our advertising money.
On 11/6/2008 9:38:40 PM, Anonymous said:
I am sadly amazed at some of the totally atrocious grammar and spelling from adults on this website ! Outrageous ! People who cannot even spell properly have no business engaging in ventures they cannot spell their dismay about it after the fact. Ackerman Sentrifett is a lawfirm known to me personally and, if they say, that there is no evidence of "wrongdoing" on the part of ASD, it can be taken for the equivalent of gospel ! What happened here is that the feds by now have had to eat their own crap recognizing that they jumped a gun and now have egg on their face, courtesy of Attorney Goodman of Ackermann Sentrifett ! With respect to this, they are not going to bow out of this gracefully and say they are "sorry", not by a longshot ! But are deliberately delaying and handicapping Judge Collyer's decision with all they know how, and they do fight dirty ! Be that as it may, the feds are not as powerful as God is who is in full control here and noone else but He will ultimately command the outcome of this matter, period !
""it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulations those who trouble you. "" - 2 Thess 1:6
While republicans automatically "assumed" old man river and Miss Alaska would "clinch" this recent election, God threw a monkey wrench into their "plans" and showed them Who is in control when He decided otherwise, raising up the one HE selected to win ! God is in control here folks, lay down your guns and let GOD handle this, because HE WILL WIN ! To those who are non-believers and take this as a rhetoric, here are 2 words of Jesus: "WAKE UP" ! The truth will prevail and With the grace and goodwill of God, ASD will be back. To not give up at homestretch is the call here folks ! However, if nothing else comes of this matter, I totally relish the very thought of Attorney Goodman to suck it to the feds with undeniable evidence, that is exactly what they need! It would certainly be well deserved on their part and hopefully reprimands them to think twice the next time they make a "powerplay" with s...t for brains behind it!
On 11/6/2008 10:49:37 PM, Anonymous said:
Ya know, all this being said... the gov took the money, not Andy... who cares. the point is, we will never see it again. that is what I am so angry about. In this time.. we need the money the most and we will not see it again. the gov. took the records and all that money and do you really think, as unorganised as ASD was when they were in business, that they will actually get all the records straight and know exactly who had what money in thier accounts? I know how much was in mine but I don't think Dawn or Andy or Rada will... I am very upset as I need the money I was going to cash out just as the stupid raid happened.
On 11/6/2008 11:21:11 PM, Njikoka said:
If the government ran the country with half as much sense as Andy Bowdoin and the ASD Team ran ASD, we would not have an economy crises today. Sadly they do not. Shame on our government one more time. ASD is not a Ponzi Scheme, not a pyramid, not a scam. It is a way for those of us who work in direct marketing and other viable businesses to afford advertising that we could only dream about before. The government of the United States and the State of Florida have joined hands to steal from over 100,000 of its loyal citizens. Pitiful! We are victims of our own government NOT ASD.
On 11/7/2008 12:46:10 AM, Anonymous said:
I absolutely loved ASD and the business model it stood for. Definitely a progressive business, that was really one of the first of its kind. Yes it did grow too fast, and ASD was not ready for such a growth spurt. However, Andy's goal was to achieve a membership of 100K plus, and this is when corporate advertisers start taking note and interest in such a site, as far as purchasing banner and advertising space. I believe we were just about there, yet a lot of internal work and restructuring still had to be done. Andy has always kept his word and always performed honestly.
There are a lot of "wannabe ASD sites out there right now...off shore, no less! It would behoove the govt to allow ASD to legitimately restructure its business plan....so we can keep taxes in the US. These advertising sites are not going to go away....the internet is here to stay!!
Happy ASD member since Nov 2006
On 11/7/2008 7:15:44 AM, Anonymous said:
I am a ASD member from Canada. I bought ad paks in May and want everyone to know that ASD did axactly what they said. I introduced other business owners to the advertizing opprtunity and shortly after saw ASD shut down by your government. Canada is plagued by the same power hungry security agents. A company here was shut down for alleged offences only to be freed of all cherges 2 years later. By that time it was all over. There were signs of conflict of interest written all over that case. I hope that is not the case here. I truly believe this model for advertizing on the internet, together with any improvments that can be made, is the way of future. The internet is definitly here to stay. Satisfied ASD member.
On 11/7/2008 8:34:37 AM, Anonymous said:
We are waiting on ASD To come back, trusting God to work it all out, believing that justice will prevail. He is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we could ask or think. He has promised to take care of His children and that we would not go begging for bread.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose---a quote from Jim Elliot...He gave his life so that others might live eternally...Just like Jesus.
Bea Klepfer in Sabastian, Fl
On 11/7/2008 9:32:34 AM, Anonymous said:
TO 6:44:16--OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A FOOL-AND SO ARE ALL OF YOU PESSIMISTS!--MY BUSINESS IS REAL--I HELP PEOPLE WITH A MEDICAL PLAN AND A DENTAL PLAN---PEOPLE WHO ARE UN-INSURED AND UNDER-INSURED---PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD INSURANCE AND GET DENIED---THE COMPANY I REPRESENT IS A MULTI-LEVEL COMPANY WHO HELPS IBO'S LIKE MYSELF WITH A WEBSITE--IT TAKES ALOT OF GUESS WORK OUT OF WHAT I OFFER. I ADVERTISED WITH A RADIO STATION IN MY LOCAL AREA AND GOT ABOUT 10 PHONE CALLS--I ADVERTISED WITH ASD AND HAD OVER 1000 HITS-(MY SITE RECORDS VISITS)---BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR UN- EXPERIENCED BUSINESS SENSE TO THE WORLD---I THINK YOU BETTER BECOME A CENSUS TAKER---NOBODY LIKES A PERSON WHO EXPRESSES THEMSELVES WITH NO BACKUP PROOF--AND THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU NEGATIVE PEOPLE--DO NOT TALK BUSINESS AND SLANDER AND ABUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO PUT MILK ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. ANDY IS 74--I AM SURE HE IS COLLECTING A SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK--WHAT IS HE GOING TO GAIN AT HIS AGE BY RIPPING PEOPLE OFF---HE IS AT THE GLOOM AND DOOM AGE--HE WILL WIN HIS BATTLE AND MOVE AHEAD---ALL YOU NEGATIVE PEOPLE--ARE YOU GOING TO JUMP THE GUN AND PREACH HOW GREAT IT ALL WAS AND HOW YOU HAD FAITH IN THE BUSINESS MODEL AND KNEW ANDY WAS A GOOD GUY.--THEY CALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU HYPOCRITS---AND ANOTHER THING IF YOU KNEW JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HISTORY--YOU WOULD KNOW SOME OF OUR GREATEST MEN HAD FAILED MANY TIMES BEFORE BECOMING SUCCESSFUL---LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN--THOMAS EDISON--AND JUST THINK OF THE MEN AND WOMAN WHO WERE WELL ADVANCED FOR THEIR TIME THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CALLED- NUTS!-(LEONARDO DAVINCI)
ANDY HAS MADE HISTORY---ALL YOU HAVE IS A LITTLE COMMENT ON A SILLY NEWSPAPER THAT WILL BE ARCHIVED AND THEN FORGOTTEN. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BUSINESS ENDEAVORS. I THINK ALL YOU NEGATIVE, ABUSIVE PEOPLE BETTER ASK YOUR GOD TO FORGIVE YOU FOR SO LITTLE FAITH AND TRYING TO HURT YOUR FELLOW MAN AND WOMAN WITH YOUR UNWARRANTED COMMENTS--THIS IS THE AGE OF TESTING-----------GOT MILK!
On 11/7/2008 10:15:32 AM, Anonymous said:
To the person that spent $15,000 on advertising, how much revenue did your business generate to pay for that advertising? Most people spend 2-5% on advertising, so your website generated $250,000 a year?
The people that are loosing their car, even with rebates coming in, it was 1% a day, it took 100 days to get your money back. Its been about that anyway, money troubles should be starting now.
Come on people, I bet there was less than %1 that did it for advertising.
ASD only paid back rebates because new people kept putting money in. There is only so many people to money in, once it runs out so does President's Award two time convicted Andy.
On 11/7/2008 10:31:49 AM, Anonymous said:
How can the USPS deliver mail to a non-existing address? All the checks that were sent had to go to the address listed. Please explain that to me.
On 11/7/2008 10:32:19 AM, Anonymous said:
DID YOU KNOW THE GOVERNMENT SPENDS MANY TAX DOLLARS AND MANY MONTHS-SOMETIMES YEARS INVESTIGATING DRUG CRIMES. A MURDERER IS GIVEN A LAST MEAL BEFORE BEING EXECUTED---AN INCORPORATED BUSINESS WAS FOUND GUILTY AND CONDEMNED BEFORE IT WAS ALLOWED TO PROVE ITSELF AS AN HONOURABLE ENTITY. I HAVE READ SOME OF YOUR REMARKS--AND I AM AMAZED AT HOW SOME OF YOU NEGATIVE PEOPLE KNOW SO LITTLE--I READ-- ASD HAS A PHONY ADDRESS AND YET THE GOVERNMENT HAD NO PROBLEM FINDING THEM---I HAVE READ HOW --"I LOST MY MONEY FOR EVER" AND YET GOLDEN PANDA HAD ARRANGEMENTS TO RETURN THE MONEY TO ALL OF ITS ADVERTISERS---I LIKED THE GUY WHO TALKED ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT BEING RUN AS A BUSINESS LIKE ANDY IS RUNNING ASD---WE TRIED THAT WHEN PEROT EXPRESSED HIS BUSINESS KNOWLEDGE DURING AN ELECTION YEAR-- HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT--HE WASN'T ELECTED. WE ENDED UP WITH CLINTON--WHO SHOWED THE WORLD HOW TO HAVE FUN, PLAY WITH CIGARS AND SHOWED NO CONCERN AT ALL WHEN THEY TRIED TO BLOW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS IN 92. WOW--I AM VERY UPSET WITH WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DID---IT SCARES ME TO THINK THAT IT COULD HAPPEN TO ME AND MY FAMILY--I COULD BE THROWN OUT IN THE STREET ON A "I BELIEVE THIS TO BE" STATEMENT.
ALL OF YOU REALISE RIGHT NOW THAT WE RUN THE SAME RISK AS ANDY--POSITVE AND NEGATIVE PEOPLE ALIKE--WE NEED TO JOIN AS A UNIT AND PRAY THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO US OR OUR FAMILY--IN FORMING A UNITY OUR NUMBERS ARE GREAT--AND IN DOING SO-- WE CALL UPON -OUR SPIRITUAL MENTOR TO GRAB OUR PROBLEMS AWAY FROM US AND CORRECT ALL WRONG DOINGS. THIS WOULD UNITE US ALL AS ONE. "NOBODY LEFT BEHIND"--
FLORIDA MOTTO FOR EDUCATION--SHOULD APPLY TO "IN GOD WE TRUST"------
GOT MILK
On 11/7/2008 11:40:49 AM, footer said:
The agents responsible for the trouble at ASD are probably having trouble sleeping at night, They have reeked havoc with the lives of tens of thousands of families and individuals.
Sleep tight AG!
On 11/7/2008 12:12:38 PM, Anonymous said:
their is the number 13 on the building and all the mail was deliver to that address. I have know Andy and Faye for 30 years and they are good people. It really hurts me to see people doubting them and I know that they will make every right if the government lets them.
On 11/7/2008 1:50:47 PM, Anonymous said:
I am a ASD Member and I have put our savings into this and we were seeing the daylight, our web business was finally getting traffic and I was about to draw my first check from ASD and then every month there after and that would have made a difference in our lives, but now thanks to our Government, we may start losing everything we have, including our vehicle, house and more we are current right now but after November we will not have enough to continue paying everything, so like I said thanks to our government they not only have taken my money, but will also have taken my vehicle, house and more and we are suppose to live in a free country what is free when the government can tell us what we can spend our money on and what we can't that is not living in a free country. I am so disappointed in our elected official for not stepping in to help us, in this last election I voted for everyone that was not already in office, because we need a change. When the government can do what they did for ASD we are in a world of trouble.
On 11/7/2008 3:03:41 PM, Anonymous said:
Eureka here, with a dose of truth. It is really enlightening to know that locals, such as 12:12:38, defend Andy. Before the biased media swayed them differently, even Quincy Chamber of Commerce had good things to say about ASD. ASD's case is simple: ALL new paradigms are met with ignorance and hostility. Thankfully Amway fought and opened the way to invent ingenious business models like ASD. One similarity: Had Amway continued its original plan offered to charter members, it too would be considered questionable today. But Amway has wisely evolved and adapted to its changing circumstances. ASD grew much faster, but also was wisely planning for longevity, ready to introduce 10 new revenue streams,... when Big Daddy prematurely interrupted its progress!! And does anyone grasp the double standard taking place here? Is the Gov't really concerned about us? Is this radical move against ASD & its membership REALLY for our protection??? Then why the Lotto, which loses money for virtually every participant? The unbacked dollar? Runaway National Debt? Need one say more? ASD has ALWAYS delivered its promises. Only the newbies didn't have a chance to discern that yet, with the temporary upgrading that took place before the seizure. ASD had done temp. upgrades before. Yes, Andy mismanaged and made poor judgments, but that's no excuse for the Government to snatch our business from us!! And if Andy did have some previous failings, that doesn't take away from ASD's brilliant business model, which could effectively resume, in compliance with a court-appointed monitor - a very reasonable request to the Court. And as alluded to above, no one was told to put their life savings into ASD. It's called personal responsibility. ASD is not to blame for that,... but the Gov't is - for taking it away!
On 11/7/2008 3:04:39 PM, Anonymous said:
Are you kidding!!!!!!... who in their right mind would invest or whatever you want to call it so much that they will lose everything... yes we invested $$$$ also but still have everything we had before...minus the $$$$ lost... I will wait on judging who stole the money but am leaning more towards the Andy scam man...lol
On 11/7/2008 3:16:09 PM, Anonymous said:
Yes, as noted above, ASDers are suckers - but for not duly preparing for the greedy interference of the US Attorney's office!! The Gov't capitalized on the grievances of a few ignorant newbies' complaints, resulting in victimization of 100,000+ ASD members!
On 11/7/2008 6:59:51 PM, Anonymous said:
Because the goverment most companies are getting the hell out of this country and creating more jobs for other nations.ASD had the W-9 form
that every member has to fill in order to receive money. Now get what!
All of those new surfing companies are offshore which means no TAXES for Sam. Hello AG are you there, hello???????????
On 11/7/2008 10:23:54 PM, Anonymous said:
Thank for the update, i am promoting this until asd is back up... help me out if you would thanks: www.TheUltimateRealityChallenge.com
On 11/8/2008 8:35:54 AM, Anonymous said:
The US Goverment always act before they have all the facts. They take better care of people in other countries before taking care of their own. And whenever they do have all the facts they will not support you, instead they try to make life imposible.
On 11/8/2008 9:16:05 AM, Anonymous said:
I am afraid too many miss the whole point. New evidence is not even an issue. If you read the business plan and do the math then any objective person can see it is a Ponzi. I wish it wasn't, and I would have been a legitimate advertiser.
On 11/8/2008 9:35:30 AM, Anonymous said:
Im not saying I support Andy knowing what I know now. At the time I got in NOTHING negative was every found on him at that time. But I am supporting ASD,I was in for 6 months before the Goverment stepped in. I had no problem getting cash outs, ASD did everything they promised. When the site was down we were taken care of with Global Credits. I had more hits and sales with my business site in the rotator then ever before. Now it is almost nothing. Im sorry that those of you that got in late and didnt get a chance to see what the Business could do for you before the Goverment stepped in. But I assure you, had this not happened you would have seen great things. I was able to cash out 3times my orginal ad package purchase in that 6 months and was about to take my 4th when it was shut down. I was making 500.00 a DAY in ASD alone not to mention what my business was doing from all the exposure it was getting. I will continue to support ASD when and if it comes back!
On 11/8/2008 10:58:16 AM, footer said:
Its too bad the justice system in the US is overburdened. I'm Judge Collyer is over worked. The delays, unfortunetley can end in the choking of ASD as it is doing to it members. The sentence could be handed down with out the benefit of a trial and the AG would prevail. Prey for a quick decision one way or the other because:
JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED!! Lets join the grassroots efforts of Moriority's movement. WE HAVE RIGHTS to protect!
On 11/8/2008 12:13:45 PM, Anonymous said:
Today all over the internet there are alot of new (ASD) type busines's popping up? check them out they are the same as asd...surf180 10dailyPro Adgate, they are all based on the same structure as ASD Why are they alowed to operate and ASD not???? there must be 50 new ASD types out there copying ASD's business plan....
On 11/8/2008 1:02:30 PM, footer said:
I heard that the AG has suspended their lookout for terrorist plots and are going to redirect the Patriot Act specificly to internet ad surfing ponzi schemes in an effort to protect the potential throngs of innocent, wild eyed members, thereby protecting the future of there businesses and familys. We all should thank them. I feel SAFER already.
On 11/8/2008 7:02:50 PM, Anonymous said:
what a complete IDIOT you are footer!!!!
next you will need to ask the AG if you can go to a Casino.... MORON!!!!!#$%#%^$^%^#^%&*%$&^$^&$&^$&^
On 11/8/2008 7:26:31 PM, footer said:
I think you missed the joke??
On 11/8/2008 8:00:25 PM, Anonymous said:
I THINK THAT THIS ALL SO STUPID! THERE ARE AUTOSURFS OUT THERE DOING EXACTLY WHAT ANDY WAS DOING AND THEY ARE NOT PONZI'S IN FACT I BELONG TO THEM AND HAVE BEEN MAKING LOTS OF MONEY AT IT. AND WOULD BE WITH ASD IF THE GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T OF STUCK THEIR NOSES WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG! POEPLE LOSE MONEY EVERYDAY WHEN THEY GO TO THE GAMBLING HALL!
WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS YOU RUN THE RISK, WHY DON'T THEY SHUT DOWN THE STOCK MARKET....WE WERE NOT PROMISED ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR ADVERTISING....IF WE MAKE MONEY AS A RESULT OF IT THAT IS OUR BUSINESS. YES SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PONZI SCEME. THE GOV SHOULD BE BUSY GOING AFTER THE GUYS WHO PUT US INTO THIS MORTGAGE MESS, BUT NO THEY HAVE TO GO AFTER THE LITTLE GUYS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE AN HONEST BUCK, ALL IN THE NAME OF THE AG WHO JUMPED THE GUN AND DOESN'T KNOW HIS ASS FROM HIS HEAD AND HAS HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE. ANDY DID NOT DO THIS AND TOO PUT HIS PAST INTO THIS IS CRAP WE ALL HAVE A PAST AND HAVE BEEN GIVEN SECOND CHANCES, BUT I GUESS THE ACCUSERS ARE LITTLE SELF RIGHTEOUS WANNA BEES THAT HAVE A HALO ON THEIR HEADS!
On 11/8/2008 10:59:12 PM, Anonymous said:
above statement should be taking as the GOSPEL.
WORD BROTHER!!!
On 11/8/2008 11:14:17 PM, Anonymous said:
My apologies to footer I did miss the joke. my Bad!!!! Just frustrated with all this waiting..
sorry sir..
BW
On 11/9/2008 10:41:43 AM, Anonymous said:
I was in for 10 months before it was raided. I had fabulous results and the people I sponsored had fabulous results. The "legalize" that apparently 99% of people didn't bother to read or explain is that ASD was an internet advertising company. If you bought advertising at your local newspaper, and let's say you paid $1,000 for it and it was to run for 1 week. At the end of the week, your ad is no longer running and you're out $,1000. With ASD you put in $1,000 and your ad never stops (as long as you do your daily surfing) and your $1,000 will end up at $1,250 because of the rebates from surfing. That extra $250 is actually more because of the compounding and they don't remove the $1,000 until the account has reached $2,250 and then the $1,000 goes away which means you REALLY have $1,250 left in your account. How perfect is that?
A ponzi scheme takes money from the bottom to pay the top. The first day I had put money in the account and surfed, the next DAY I had cash in my account. Every single time I asked for a cashout it eventually got to me - sometimes very fast - sometimes very slow - but I knew it would eventually get to me.
I don't know why the gov't chose us to raid and shut down. We are by FAR not the scam type of companies that there are thousands of all over the internet. Isn't growing very fast one of the American Dreams?
I feel pretty certain that we will open again (and I pray so daily) but for the people that put money in at the end and then complained that their money was "stolen" - just look at WHO stole it - it was the gov't, not ASD. ASD never promised anything, it just happened to have been put together so brilliantly that it DID make money and the more people that came in, brought more in with them.
If the government ends up shutting down ASD, then I think a lawsuit should be filed to get the money back. As I stated earlier, there are thousands of scammers out there and yet they picked the one that was doing great.
For those that are wasting their time with "suuuuucckers" being their only post, you must lead sad, lonely lives. For those that blame Andy - and yes, apparently he's had some bad times, but Benjamin Franklin had 2,000 times that the lightbulb did work. It worked the 2,001st time. When asked why he spent so much time on failures - he said he didn't fail, he just learned something new each time. How many times have you failed at something, but you pick yourself up and start again. And Andy picked himself up bigtime and was winning the race, until Big Brother stepped in.
I think we need to step back and let the process go on without so much negativity going on. What goes around, comes around, and if you are nothing but negative now (I feel for your poor families having to live with you) then you will receive nothing but negative in return. But if you remain positive, even when it is everything you have in you to do so, then positive things will continue to happen to you.
I know the wait is frustrating, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US is in the same boat. Remember the old saying, "Together we stand, divided we fall" We need to stand together on this so that it will open. And when it does, the ones that want their money out will have a way to get it out. Read the court documents - one of the mediation agreements is that there will be some cash returns to be given back.
HOWEVER, in the "legalize" that you DID sign by clicking a box, you only had 30 days to get your original money back and you wouldn't then be eligible to receive any rebates. I'm not sure when the 30 days started, but I know it's there in writing what the rules are. A reminder to read the fine print! I know this is going to end up in our favor and I can go back to surfing and laughing all the way to the bank.
p.s. Yes, I do have a legitimate business and yes, I was receiving real sales from my ads. GOD BLESS AMERICA and the AMERICAN DREAM!!!
pam
On 11/9/2008 3:29:18 PM, Anonymous said:
My husband and I were so excited for once in our lives we found a way we could retire. We joined ASD in November 2006, and was doing quiet well. Together we had built our business up to around $80,000, and was planning to continue building until we could take out 20% and roll over 80% to keep it going. Much to our miserable disappointment all our dreams went down with the feds. But no matter what Andy Bowdoin gave us a dream and would have continued if the feds had of done some research first. Andy and always said anyone can walk in the office and look at the business as it was. Now that the feds have tied up our money so long and knocked the feet out from under the business we will probably lose all the money we put in and not have a business to continue. There are a LOT of people suffering over this even more now with the economy. Most of us got our family and friends in ASD. God bless ASD and the intentions of Andy Bowdoin. Yes, we still have a hard time believing Andy is a crook. Oviedo, Florida and yes we had two other interenet businesses we advertised on ASD and we got business from those two sites only because of ASD.
On 11/9/2008 10:07:51 PM, Anonymous said:
help me earn some money back
www.TheUltimateRealityChallenge.com
Thank you
On 11/10/2008 12:04:36 AM, Anonymous said:
it is the government that messed everybody up and tied up all of our money. They froze the money, did not return anything to anybody, and also are destroying the business.
I think government is greedy, and those attorneys on the case do not care to see if the business can be saved, or adjusted, they only want to accuse, and prove themselves right.. even if they are not.
Which they are not.
They have caused alot of hardship to all the members.. and to me as well. They simply froze all the money i have sent in, and even the check i got from the company i could not cash in because they froze that too. Asd has rightfully asked to have a gov overseeing the business but to let the company start working again, and that members can either ask and get their money back or.. continue with the business. I think that is more then fair.
I hope that judge will rule for ASD and let it contineu its business.
If they think somebody needs to oversee it ok, let it be.
You dont just destroy the business and freeze peoples money. Exactly what government has done.
Maybe they needed the money and this suited them just fine.
All those lawyers would be paid out of our money invested.. if gov gets what it wants. .. and we would get back who knows when partial money we put in.
It is not right how government operated imo. Well i still hope that the judge will find the right balance and vote in favor of ASD and all the people to be able to continue the business.
Asd member.
On 11/10/2008 8:41:49 AM, Anonymous said:
Who is in the wrong here? The Government is! They can't and will never prove that ASD is a Ponzi scam...because ASD is NOT a Ponzi. ASD put all the terms and conditions in writing and did not guarantee their memebers anything! The government is in the wrong and they are just trying to cover up...as usual!
On 11/10/2008 11:50:18 AM, Anonymous said:
It is good to finally see a little bit of sanity among both sides of this issue. There are some who are way out line in support of ASD and also others who are way out of line against ASD. Both sides have their own respective points, and that is fine. I'm a fair person, and for those of you who are against ASD, you can make your point, but please at least have the dignity to be respectful of those who think otherwise (succkkerrsss, etc.) That's annoying and childish. Everyone needs to show a little bit of class, as we all are adults, and should act as such.
Andy Bowdoin is a good man. He may very well be a 'crook', but that has nothing to do with his business model which appears to be very solid. The government already admitted that ASD is NOT a ponzi, so they are pursuing other charges (wire fraud, etc.).
What everything boils down to is that everybody (or entity in this case) has the right to not be convicted of a crime without the due process of law. Due Process. Even if ASD has done something wrong, which I really doubt, they have the right to a trial, and hopefully Judge Collyer agrees. I hope for a ruling soon, and a positive one at that. It is worth noting that if ASD is allowed to open back up, the government is in for a long haul, as I would suspect ASD would sue for a massive amount of damages, and more than likely win. These are all my own opinions and in no way reflect the beliefs of ASD or anyone associated with ASD.
-Adam Glen (ASD member)
On 11/10/2008 12:25:17 PM, Anonymous said:
The US goverment took our hard earn money and no ASD or Mr Andy. If he would it run away with all the cash, then everybody could it have a valid statement to talk bad about him . I am not defending anybody here, just trying to be fair. I dont know him. If he was a crook or did something illegal, he paid for it and he has all the rights to keep doing business and to have a second chance in life. Praying is the only weapon we have to fight this battle. Believe it or not it works. Lets pray for the Judge to rule with fairness in favor of the truth.
On 11/10/2008 5:03:49 PM, Anonymous said:
On August 5, federal agents raided ASD offices, a forfeiture complaint in hand, seizing more than $90 million. Secret Service investigators based in Orlando alleged ASD was a Ponzi scheme, a scam that pays investors with funds brought in from other investors rather than selling an underlying investment. Many months later, now the government has admitted that ASD is NOT a Ponzi. So to save face - the government is pursuing other charges like wire fraud, mail fraud, etc. It's very plain to see that the government is trying any and everything to KEEP the hard earned money of ASD memebers. Yes...lets hope Judge Collyer sees this and rules with fairness in favor of the truth and ASD.
On 11/11/2008 8:41:48 AM, Anonymous said:
ASD was a "GREAT" advertising method of getting my products and services know and product awareness. It was the greatest form of advertising I ever used...I miss using it!
On 11/11/2008 11:02:00 AM, Anonymous said:
ASD was a good thing. The Government was wrong again to accuse ASD of being a PONZI. Hopefully Judge Collyer will realize this and she will right this wrong....
On 11/11/2008 11:04:39 AM, Anonymous said:
what can we do to recover our money?
Do we have to get together then and fight for our rights?
Are we going the federals to keep our own money.
Any ideas?
On 11/11/2008 11:14:12 AM, Anonymous said:
Is there anyone collecting users' names and amount deposited to "prove" the government how much we put into ASD, so we might recover al least the exact amount of money we deposited? ...
Can the police recover stolen jewelry and electrical appliances, and if the "victims" were able to identify themselves as the legitimate owners ... Can the police keep those recoveries for themselves? ... I don't think so! ... What do we need to do next to recover our own money? ... Do we have to seat and wait hoping that the federals return our money? ... Is anyone taking the initiative to start a "registration" of ASD users with the exact amount of money we deposited? ... I hope to hear an action plan, and less negative criticism to each other, and more positive and intelligent action we should take to anticipate a bad judge's resolution, and not be able to recover our money ... If someone commited a crime, that person might go to prison, but the victims should NEVER BE PENALIZED for that ... I have confidence that there are many intelligent and positive people reading these lines right now ... Would you please come up, suggest or present a plan of action from all of us ... This is what I hope to read in future lines ... God bless you all. Cesar G.
On 11/11/2008 12:14:10 PM, Anonymous said:
Fellow Americans/ASD members, On this VETERANS DAY let us not forget who we all are, and what we are all fighting for. It is myopinion that the Federal Government took no time to talk with Mr. Bowdoin and inform him of their concerns with this companies policies before uprooting a whole lot of good Americans. I feel like many of you do that Mr. Bowdoin had no reason to rip off any of these ASD associates!This action by the Feds. has hurt good tax paying Americans and their friends and families. "LET US BE FREE" as one GREAT AMERICAN had so gently put it. Pray for Judge Collier and her decision!
On 11/11/2008 7:19:03 PM, Anonymous said:
RESPONDING TO: On 11/11/2008 11:04:39 AM, Anonymous said:
what can we do to recover our money? Do we have to get together then and fight for our rights? Are we going the federals to keep our own money. Any ideas?
RESPONSE: here is a riddle for you: IF the feds bail out AIG with tax payer money, and AIG's fat cats who are "relaxing-regrouping" at a posh resort in Arizona and NO NORMAL MORTALS are at avail to do anything about it but leave angry messages on a zillion blogs, what makes you think by "speaking up" the Feds are going to voluntarily return ASD member money to their rightful owners ? ASD's attorneys have proven no "wrongdoing" on the part of ASD's business model and functions, only the Feds were not prepared for ASD to put up that kind of fight and WIN IT ! That is the very reason w h y Judge Collyer's ruling has not come forth this far ! I am 100% convinced that ASD's attorneys will not back off or down until justice is done and ASD is off the hook !
TO ANY AND ALL F E D S WHO ARE SNOOPING AROUND IN HERE: ""it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulations those who trouble you."" 2 Thess 1:6
On 11/12/2008 9:45:59 PM, Anonymous said:
everyone shut the fuck up and wait for the verdict
On 11/13/2008 10:08:47 PM, Anonymous said:
The original AG's argument was based on protection of the people. This whole deal has only hurt a lot of people and took away the hope of many...the longer we have to wait for the ruling the more people will suffer...I don't what kind of protection this is (sort of...if you know what I mean) Mark
On 11/14/2008 12:03:22 PM, Anonymous said:
Many of you new people were not here in the early days of Ad Surf Daily but those of you that have been there from the beginning know that Andy lied to us the first time when he made it appear through the site that we had over $2 million and then all of a sudden checks were bouncing and the company was broke. He blamed it on a computer glitch. I don't know about you but when I check my bank account I could tell the difference between $2 million and a $0 ballance. So what happened? He took his faithful few and started up another company. ASD Cash Generator. Get real. The government stepped in before it exploded. Why do you think there was a computer problem before every rally and people were not getting money? He needed the rally money to float the other payments. (Sounds similar to a Ponzi doesn't it?) And finally, be careful for what you wish for. If you put your money in for advertising only then you should be satisfied if the government allowed the ads to run with no rebates until your money ran out? That way you would get your advertising taken care of and you can sit back and watch the customers roll in. I am being sarcastic for a reason. We all hoped that ASD would somehow be legal but we knew something was fishy. And this fish is rotten! Thank God for the government because pretty soon people would have been mortgaging their homes to "invest" in a convicted felon. It is my sincere hope that the government returns the money to the members and that we all find a better way to earn a living.
On 11/14/2008 12:31:18 PM, Anonymous said:
Feb 2008, GOD came to a man named Noah in Kansas and stated, "Noah, I need your help to build a second ark, you know the drill as I have seen. I will give you 6 months to build it and collect the refugees just like before as we need to destroy what exists and re-create again." Noah agreed. July 2008, GOD returned to Noah and noticed No Ark. HE asked Noah "Where is the ARK?" Noah replied, "Dear GOD, I had everything needed yet didn't have the funds for the new sales tax increases or the govt surcharges to pay as some items were coming from overseas. Plus, the local city and county government refused me a building permit due to zoning restrictions. Dear GOD, I have failed you." GOD replied "No you haven't Noah, it seems everything I had planned to re-create has already become destroyed."
On 11/14/2008 3:35:41 PM, Anonymous said:
Luckily I purchased only $500 in advertising. But it is to advertise my LEGITIMATE web development business. I don't expect to make a single penny back - it is an advertising expense. But as a business owner, I anticipate to get more back in business than what I invest in the advertising. But now I am stuck in limbo until the government releases the $ that I spent for advertising.
If you invested too heavily in any process expecting to get rich from it, you are a fool. If you invest in the advertising, and get business because of it, you are a smart business owner. If I don't get the chance to find out because someone is holding my money illegally, then I am a victim of the holder of those funds who happens to be the US Attorney General.
On 11/14/2008 7:25:29 PM, Anonymous said:
AdSurfDaily President Andy Bowdoin said during a conference call tonight that Florida prosecutors had amended a complaint against the firm and "dropped all the charges except two."
"They don't say anything about a Ponzi now," Bowdoin said. "They now say 'Pyramid' as one of the charges, and Unfair Trade Practice as the other charge."
Florida's Aug. 6 complaint, however, did not allege that ASD was a Ponzi scheme. It specifically referred to ASD as a "Pyramid" scheme.
Some ASD members expressed skepticism. Others raced to forums to spread the word that Ponzi allegations had been dropped.
Bowdoin assured listeners that ASD was in it for the long haul.
"We will not give up and we will not give in," Bowdoin said. "We'll fight until we have a victory because we have a legitimate business that can help turn the economy around."
Bowdoin then ruminated on the world economy and announced a plan to sell VOIP telephone service for $19.99 a month.
Here, below, is our earlier post on this matter:
Some AdSurfDaily members tonight are declaring a win over Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, saying six of eight "charges" filed against ASD have been dropped and that the firm has been ruled not to be a Ponzi scheme.
Unless an amended complaint has been filed in Florida, ASD never was accused by state prosecutors of being a Ponzi scheme. There was a general allegation in Florida's Aug. 6 complaint that ASD was operating a "Pyramid" scheme.
McCollum's Aug. 6 News Release refers to ASD as a "Pyramid" scheme and never mentions the word "Ponzi." The Aug. 6 Florida complaint also doesn't mention the word "Ponzi," referring to ASD exclusively as a "Pyramid" scheme.
Two counts of Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices and one count of Deceptive, Unconscionable and Unfair Trade Pracices were filed against ASD by Florida state prosecutors on Aug. 6.
It is unclear how ASD members arrived at the conclusion that six of eight "charges" against ASD had been dismissed.
Tonight marked one more night in which ASD members reported confusion after an ASD conference call. It is possible that specific allegations within the three counts were reduced, dismissed or consolidated.
In any event, the situation on the ground in Florida does not appear to have changed much.
On 11/15/2008 9:30:47 PM, Anonymous said:
I've heard on the radio today that over 290 billion dollars of our bailout tax dollars has already been spent by the "new owners of our money" WITHOUT ANY SUPERVISION WHATSOEVER! AND THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE MONEY WENT!!!! Don't underestimate the the amount expressed by the word "some"....we are talking about billions!!!
NOW...our beloved ASD comes along with an ingeneous plan that advances it's members business and even rewards them financially...giving them hope to save their family, their homes...WELL..THAT...HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED! Ironic! Sad! Pathetic! I am by no means criticizing the Judge but the sad moment we reached in the history of our Great Nation! I sure hope that Jude Collyer will speedly rule in favor of justice! May God give her wisdom! Mark S.
On 11/16/2008 9:33:43 AM, Anonymous said:
Some ASD-ers are diehard idealists which in a way is admirable, they keep patiently waiting and waiting and waiting for this thing to fully, moreover successfully play out in their favor. Hope dies last as many never quit "hoping". One lingering doubt is why this Judge has not made a ruling thus far. As a legal professional myself, I know the reason for this is the lack of sufficient factual substance to support a ruling in either direction and it is for that reason she is still holding out. IF ! and it seems to become a bigger if with each passing day that this is going to come out in favor of ASD, ASD will be the most lilywhite venture on the face of the planet and subscribers will flock to it like moths to a lightbulb ! One person posted that this is "stinking like a fish" and it is agreeably impossible to ignore the "odor". Andy Bowdoin says that "if God is for us who can be against us", all well and good, but the question IS, is God for ASD to continue - or - is He for justice due ASD ?
On 11/16/2008 8:17:39 PM, Anonymous said:
GUESS WHAT ALL 9 COUNTS HAVE BEEN DROPPED AGAINST ASD EXCEPT FOR TWO WHICH WILL NOT STICK, NOW WHAT DO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SO NEGATIVE HAVE TO SAY,,,,,,,,,YOU WILL BE EATING CROW FOR XMAS AND WE WILL HAVE ASD BACK AND RUNNING SOON. YES THE AG DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING........NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK IN TRAINING SCHOOL.
On 11/16/2008 11:14:54 PM, Anonymous said:
Condemn ASD "passively" and "inderectly" by no ruling either way for lack of evidence? Could this be justice? Is this the kind of justice that would honor God? Is this the kind of justice God wants for ASD? Certainly not the God of the Bible!
Besides I think this notion underestimates Judge Collyer's credentials and aptitude. May God grant her wisdom and use her to "redeem" the great ASD "nation"...I am not a legal professional obviously but I remember a well known legal phrase: "Beyond reasonable doubt..." It may not apply to these cases but sure has a tone of true justice!!! Mark S.
On 11/17/2008 11:11:32 AM, Anonymous said:
I THANK GOD FOR ASD, I NOW CAN ADVERTISE MY WEBSITE AND ACTUALLY GET REBATES BACK FROM MY PURCHASE I DONT SEE GOOGLE DOING THAT OR ANY OTHER ADVERTISING AVENUE. SO WHAT IF IT TAKES 3 TO 4 WEEKS TO GET YOUR REBATE HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET A REBATE FROM A WASHING MACHINE YOU GOT FROM BEST BUY OR A TV OR WHATEVER USUALLY IT TAKES 4 TO 6 WEEKS. I WOULD'NT GO QUIT MY JOB BECAUSE IM GETTING A FEW REBATES FROM SOME THINGS I BOUGHT, LIKE A WASHING MACHINE OR WHATEVER. THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT LOSING ALL THEIR MONEY IN THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER QUIT THEIR DAY JOB, AND SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE BOUGHT AN AMOUNT OF AD PACKAGES THAT THEY COULD NOT AFFORD. THAT IS A STUPID BUSINESS OWNER. BUT THOSE PEOPLE WERENT THINKING ABOUT ADVERTISING AT ALL. THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT REBATES!!!!! WELL THATS THE WRONG WAY TO THINK BECAUSE WHEN I DO A PAY PER CLICK CAMPAIGN WITH GOOGLE, GUESS WHAT THAT MONEY IS GONE BUT I GOT TO ADVERTISE. SAME THING WITH ASD. THEY JUST OFFERED A LITTLE KICK BACK ON YOUR PURCHASE FOR VIEWING OTHER SITES, WHOEVER WENT OUT QUIT THEIR JOBS TO LIVE ON REBATES IS A MORON AND A BAD BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. IF ASD HAD NO REBATES IT WOULD STILL BE A GREAT PLACE TO ADVERTISE AND I WOULD CONTINUE ADVERTISING MY INTERNET BUSINESS WITH THEM....I AM LUCKY I FOUND AN ADVERTISING COMPANY THAT WOULD GIVE ME REBATES ON MY PURCHASES. ANDY BOWDOIN IS A GOOD MAN, AND IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD NOT HAVE STUCK HIS NOSE WHERE IT DID NOT BELONG THEN WE WOULD NOT BE DISUSSING THIS RIGHT NOW AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEIR REBATES AND BE HAPPY AND ADVERTISING! I THANK GOD FOR ANDY BOWDOIN, SO WHAT IF HE HAS MADE A MISTAKE OR TWO, THE PERSON WHO IS TYPING THIS HAS MADE MORE THAN THAT, AND I BET THE PERSON READING THIS HAS TOO. SO DONT JUDGE A MAN BY PAST MISTAKES. BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL MAKE MISTAKES BUT I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT ANDY BOWDOIN IS A MAN OF GOD AND A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND ASD WILL BE BACK IN BUSINESS VERY SOON AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT DAY. GOD BLESS!
On 11/18/2008 12:47:36 PM, Anonymous said:
I hope the conference call tonight has some positive information and status about ASD!
On 11/18/2008 1:25:53 PM, Anonymous said:
Remember Microsoft's battle about bundling Internet Explorer? It was accused of "unffair advantage"...Isn't it one accusation still pending against ASD? Well IE is alive and well today along with Microsoft and it is the number 1 browser!
Remember Napster...they attempted to change the way music is distributed...got shut down...today it is the number 1 digital music distributer...ASD is being raked over coals for inovating and revolutioning advertising...will it also rise to be the number 1 advertising company in world? I think so!!! Mark S.
On 11/18/2008 10:28:05 PM, Anonymous said:
To: Mark S. ... great examples, I agree/exactly my sentiments ! ASD will be back and big time and maybe this is what GOOGLE is worried about ?!?! ... The feds are not going to back off gracefully knowing that they fell flat on their faces. While they relish stalling conclusion of the case, it'll be shortlived, all wet dirt dries up eventually ! I salute ASD's counsel Attorney Goodman who is BRILLIANT and also Judge Collyer who has not made a hasty decision in this case. She strikes me as a fair and wise Lady ! Soon the gavel will sound and this Judge will become ASD's hero ! See it coming ! Amen Hallelujah
On 11/19/2008 1:35:28 AM, Anonymous said:
I have a simple question. If the judge rules in favor of asd, then all is well in the world...back to business (maybe with some changes.) But if not in favor...what happens to all the members money? Do we have any recourse to get it back? After all, the government pretty much seized it all and can redistribute the deposits to each member can't they? Or do they just say too bad and keep it? Either way....I just want my money back.
On 11/19/2008 8:51:41 PM, Anonymous said:
The money is in the hands if the Government~~ASD members will never see any of these funds. The Government will use these funds to "bail-out" companies that are going under...like GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. Unfair - but this is the United Staes of America...fair or unfair?? You tell me!
On 11/20/2008 11:03:58 AM, Anonymous said:
She buckled under the AG and the government...disappointing...!!!!
PREMATURE????? Premature seizing YES; "premature" relief for undue burden NO! This is "justice" or is it not? Let's keep pressing on! Mark S.
On 11/20/2008 3:31:44 PM, Anonymous said:
Mark S.: are you as gullable and stupid as you sound like you are or are you just pretending to be ???? NOBODY is above the Law, not even Andy Bowdoin and Judge Collyer made the right decision ! There is noting to "press on" about, unless you want to pay 2o bux to a parasite who is starting a "membership" to 'take control over the case' to capitalize on the very UNreasonable, emotional !!!! reactions of members to the "Motion Denied" verdict. ASD is going down hill picking up speed like a runaway train ! "Improper business practices" is one of the charges still pending and to be dealt with. Bowdoin is a convicted felon with a criminal record and will not dodge this bullet ! Wahtever the feds do with the money they froze should teach people a "hit them over the head with a hammer"-like lesson, they deserve no better having bowed down to a wanna-be money messiah Bowdoin had them convinced he is ! Whether or not you consider this "Justice" or not is neither here nor there, what it is is POWER ! A power that nobody comes up against .. unless their name is Bill Gates ! WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND MOVE ON... BOWDOIN IS FINISHED AND IS LUCKY IF HE IS NOT GOING TO JAIL !
On 11/20/2008 3:33:02 PM, Anonymous said:
I heard about this thing I knew it was a scam from the moment i heard it think people think, think , think , Pooh Bear! Greedy , greedy, greedy! Stupid is as stupid does -Forrest Gump
On 11/20/2008 3:38:33 PM, Anonymous said:
You will be lucky if all of you don't go to jail for participating in such a scam! I think thie PONZI was a outtake on the movie Dumb and Dumber!
On 11/20/2008 3:44:44 PM, Anonymous said:
Hey BW above, you might as well stop waiting, the Fat lady has done sung her last song!
On 11/20/2008 4:08:27 PM, Anonymous said:
IT'S OVER......
On 11/21/2008 10:31:24 AM, Anonymous said:
OVER,OVER,OVER
On 11/21/2008 12:12:51 PM, Anonymous said:
Ponzi schemes have been around forever. Greed drives them and they will plague us as long as we participate. Everyone wants to believe them but I say, if you get taken, chaulk it up to experience and stop believing in get rich quick schemes.
On 11/21/2008 12:20:42 PM, Anonymous said:
Multi-level marketing, ponzi schemes are all the same, only the few win and no one learns no matter how much you hear about them.
On 11/21/2008 3:17:54 PM, Anonymous said:
People wake up and smell the coffee, I would not want Google after me nor the US attourneys office! Convicted felons unite I know two others that are felons that participated in this foolishness. Once a felon always I guess...
On 11/22/2008 11:04:39 AM, Anonymous said:
Does the government just keep the money now and spend it on lavish vacations and stuff? Will we ever see any of it again? The government doesn't want anyone to make money honestly, they would rather bail out all the scammers on wall street and all the other scumbags with the 90 million they took from us. UGH...it makes me sick!
On 11/22/2008 2:25:24 PM, Anonymous said:
here is the post from a member who some one ran in and out of her account take out the money without any permission. is this done by some that is FED.
....I ran into some one.....and of course our conversation turned to
ASD......she mentioned she'd taken her first and only withdrawal out
several weeks before the government galloped in to "save us poor
victims" from the evils of ASD.....
Well guess what.....the money she had withdrawn from ASD WAS TAKEN
BACK OUT OF HER ACCOUNT after the shut-down....weeks after she had received it.....they went into her account and withdrew funds WITHOUT PERMISSION or without any advance warning.....they stole her own money from her.
Now I have to ask once again.....WHO is the government saving us
from, and who are WE the victims of?
Outrageous.....simply outrageous......if I hadn't heard that one with
my own ears, I wouldn't have believed it.....
Did this happen to anyone else that you know of?
Big Brother ain't no brother to ME.......
On 11/22/2008 8:17:36 PM, Anonymous said:
well ... maybe the new prez can help ya'll ...
On 11/22/2008 10:17:03 PM, Anonymous said:
Naysayers, doomers and gloomers are now coming out of the woodwork! When I say press on I speak of us exercising our rights to free speech in protest against what we believe to be an injustice done to ASD and it's members...We are just requesting fairness...Mark S.
On 11/24/2008 11:50:17 AM, Anonymous said:
Hey Mark S. it's a Ponzi you have been fooled! Truth is often not fair to those who lie or believe in a lie!
On 11/24/2008 11:52:26 AM, Anonymous said:
I made a comment quite some time ago that if people thought things were ugly then, they had better brace themselves because once the Judge issued her ruling on the emergency petition, then things would really get ugly. I also said that there would be more lawsuits over ASD than any other scam to date. What is truly going to be the most interesting aspect of ASD for me, is just how many people will end up suing their uplines for them getting them into ASD. I think they will not happen until one of two things happen: 1. Andy cops a plea deal on civil and criminal charges, or 2. Andy and ASD are found guilty in the civil and criminal trials by the Feds and Florida. Then I expect many of the uplines to be sued. In short, as I predicted, this is going to get really ugly. Brace yourself, because this is a long, long way from being over.
On 11/24/2008 12:33:24 PM, Anonymous said:
The word is, the new Prez is going to pay for everyone's mortgage, auto, gasoline and all the money you lost with ASD...(oh ya)!
On 11/24/2008 7:04:11 PM, Anonymous said:
ASD a PONZI? Who is smarter than a 5th grader? Terms and conditions read clearly that ASD is a PROFIT SHARING program and member were paid at a rate of 50% of the daily revenues and kept 8% in escrow to ensure they could reach their "goal" of paying members back at 1% a day...ASD was also moving forward very successfully to bring thir Alexa rating to below 10,000 rank...and they were getting there very fast...and that would mean ASD would attract advertising dollars from major corporations...and then...you know the rest of the story! Oh by the way if anyone has trouble understanding the terms and conditions maybe try to get a 5th grader to explain it to you! Mark S.
On 11/25/2008 12:03:44 PM, footer said:
Remember...ASD and Andy have NOT been charged with anything by the FEDs.
When they are, we are entitled to see the evidence.
They think they can "choke" us out.
ASD has a VERY low overhead and can be easily sustained until a trial.
We may heve to help ASD to protect our positions and our future.
Out of 140,000 members I think we can keep ASD floating.
I think we will be asking the judge for a summery judgement. They have yet to show EVIDENCE after 6 months.
On 12/1/2008 3:21:11 PM, Anonymous said:
Andy just hung himself on that call by admitting that he had enough cash to fill the cash out but no word on the paper balances owed to members. Clearly not enough in the coffers. He had to continue to rob peter to pay paul.
He is a great businessman
He's a convicted felon for securities fraud.
His name
Is Thomas A. Bowdoin, Jr. and calls himself Andy. If he called himself Thomas A. Bowdoin, Jr. and you did due dilligence on him, you would have found his conviction record.
Has big advertisers coming on board.
Never had them, never will. If he can't keep a server running for a few thousand members, how in the world can he handle 'big' advertisers.
On 12/5/2008 8:40:24 AM, Anonymous said:
I had a funny feeling that things were not going to work after I went to the Miami rally! When Juan whats-his-name(CEO) stepped up to the microphone and started to talk I looked at my friend and asked "where did Andy find this guy?". He just didn't fit the picture of what a CEO should be! I kept waiting for ASD to update my account and it wasn't happening, then they announced that the next rally in Tulsa was scheduled within 3 weeks! WTF? Instead of delaying the rallies until they could catch up to the backlog of purchasers they kept holding their hands out for more money...a sign that something is not kosher...and the way Andy manipulated the cash flow...well not a very good business practice if you want people to trust you! In all MLM's the people at the top are the one's who are making money...the rest of us are just pawns..that's a known fact however, when some of us see a glimmer of hope of making some money on the internet and participate in these programs it doesn't mean we are less than intelligent, it just means we are looking for the American Dream...sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. For those of you who just have negative comments for people who took the plunge..KEEP YOUR KNOW-IT-ALL COMMENTS TO YOURSELVEVES and go downgrade people on another site like maybe WWW.JERRYSPRINGER.COM....
On 12/6/2008 8:36:26 AM, Anonymous said:
Welcome to america home of the "we will find a way to screw you out of your money one way or another gas or no gas"or land of the "bushit administration we spend spend spend we need more money".The goverment is going to get our money due to the fact thet they are ridicuously broke and need more for more bushit.War is ending in iraq so lets get one started in afganistan.The money is gone and we should face it,the goverment is to corrupt,they will falsify something or just screw us anyway,thats what has been happening for the past eight years why stop now. A concerned and pissed american
On 12/10/2008 11:50:22 PM, Anonymous said:
If ASD is legitimately a business, then why is Andy already trying to divert attention away from ASD and towards his new VOIP calling cards circus. People involved with ASD are interested in the ASD concept because it is novel and supposedly legitimately makes money. Why is Andy discrediting himself with those dime-a-dozen VOIP programs as if it where the next hot thing after sliced bread. VOIP calling cards and service have been around since the beginnings of the Internet and yes, I can call half way around the world for free. There are at least a hundred companies offering that service. There is nothing novel here. I can get a VOIP based calling card at the nearest Seven-Eleven if I wanted one. The ASD concept on the other hand is somewhat novel. Let's focus on winning the lawsuit and then build ASD into a sustainable and profitable business. FOCUS on the real issue, Andy! Be a visionary and stop acting like a used car salesman.
On 12/21/2008 4:01:59 PM, Anonymous said:
To the writer: On 12/5/2008 8:40:24 AM, Anonymous said:
"""I had a funny feeling that things were not going to work after I went to the Miami rally! When Juan whats-his-name(CEO) stepped up to the microphone and started to talk I looked at my friend and asked "where did Andy find this guy?"""""
Dear Poster: I read your posting with great interest on this "Juan whats his name" ! Alas ! that is not the only 'where did Andy find this guy"-Guy ! There is at least ONE MORE like that which I know of for positively certain - that is however all I will say !
While I at first was on Andy's side, the past few months have clearly shown that he is not as "harmless" as many have thought him to be ! I'll leave it at that ....
On 1/3/2009 11:18:46 AM, Anonymous said:
ASD's "Evil Twin" AVG seems to have hit snags with launching, eh ? Could it BE ! that is because people are NOT signing up with them on their $360 per person ? Alas for AVG: perhaps people have gotten wise !
On 1/5/2009 11:59:31 PM, Anonymous said:
Assholes!!!!!
On 1/7/2009 8:58:29 AM, Anonymous said:
Maybe Andy can run to the gov. for a bailout, it's a scam on the Amwrican people too!
On 1/14/2009 7:56:12 PM, Anonymous said:
I was in the panda program. I invested $500 three weeks before the thing blew up. Can anyone tell me what is going on with panda? Is their a chance I can get my money back. I am a Christian Grandmother raising three grand kids on SSI and a small retirement. When Andy said he was a good Christian I had know reason not to beleve him. We all have to stand in front of our maker some day. Anna
On 4/22/2009 7:59:26 PM, Anonymous said:
Good evening. A poem is no place for an idea.
I am from Eritrea and bad know English, give please true I wrote the following sentence: "We specialize in grandfather clocks, grandmother clocks, tall clocks, wall clocks, mantel clocks, cuckoo, desk and anniversary clocks and curio cabinets."
Best regards :p, Tesia.
On 7/29/2009 11:18:51 PM, Anonymous said:
Can some one tell me what the latest is on the court proceedings with ASD and the CASE. Does the Gov. have anything and what happened to the MOOLAH. ?
On 12/23/2009 3:20:02 PM, Anonymous said:
I haven't heard anything lately on ASD. Didn't have much money in it, but wish I had looked at it closer than I did. My sponser was very convinced that it was legit, so I trusted his judgement. Can't blame him, he was suckered too. Anybody know if we do have a chance of getting our money returned from the Feds?
On 12/24/2009 3:15:12 AM, Anonymous said:
does mr. Miles Christian hart have the money?
